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@ Today's Date: http://www.tzolkin.com/mayancal.htm
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# New ID Cards Won't Carry Devilish 666. NICOSIA (Reuters) God-fearing Greek
  Cypriots were reassured that new identity cards will not bear the number
  "666", which Christian scriptures link to the devil. But the cards will be
  cursed anyway: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000407/od/idcards_1.html

# China urged to quit persecuting religions - Beijing studiously ignores the
  meddling geek: http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,155016144,00.html
# CARMELITES IN SIBERIA: http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=48872

: Have you been cursed/repressed/sacrificed lately? Has anyone collected y'r
remains for worship? Are you worthy of repression/sacrifice/worship? Where?

# HOLY SHROUD IN TURIN: http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=48874
# MARIAN SHRINE REOPENS: http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=48859
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# Giuliani, the Manhattan Institute, and Eugenics: The Ugly Truth
  Behind "Quality of Life" - http://konformist.com/2000/rudyg.htm
# SEZ HE'S HONEST: http://capitolhillblue.com/2000/04/07/rudy.asp
# PRO-LIFERS CONDEMN CLONING AS "CANNIBALISM" - science devouring
  your young? http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=48879
# Silicon Valley cool to Reno cybercrime plan - too many secrets:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565467252-4e6

# Getting Snooped On? Tough. In the US,it may be illegal to disable software
 that snoops on you. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,35498,00.html
# Why the FBI "Must" Read Your Email -- More proof the FBI is an organized
 criminal operation. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34388,00.html

: What's y'r favorite secret? Have you kept/revealed/fabricated many secrets
lately? Should all ugly truths be kept secret, or revealed, or ignored, or
restructured? Do secrets devour those who keep them? Is truth corrosive??
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# DC seeks to avoid Seattle repeat. WASHINGTON (AP) Signs are popping up all
  over town: "More World, Less Bank - Shut down the IMF and the World Bank."
  Targeted: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565481948-a33
# NEW WORLD DISORDER - Websites predict violent protests - 10,000 activists
 to trash World Bank, IMF http://208.246.212.80/metro/default-2000472247.htm

# ESPN becomes White House tool - News to be used as anti-drug propaganda:
  http://www.apbnews.com/media/mediawatch/2000/04/06/ONDCP0406_01.html
# Tobacco biz tried to subvert UN: www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9640184
# McVeigh asks for new judge - Bomber claims jurist had mind made up before
  trial: http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=471197&TP=getarticle

: Have you subverted/protested/exploded any prominent organizations lately?
Do you use whatever tools are available? Have you caused much chaos? Where?

# More sickness in cities. (AP) - City dwellers get sick more often than
  their rural counterparts. People who live in areas of high unemployment
  are more likely to feel unhealthy. And people living in poverty are sick
  most often. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565483038-91b
# SATANIC NAZI FLU CONSPIRACY: http://www.konformist.com/2000/satanflu.htm
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# US Set To Stage Mock Terror Attacks. WASHINGTON (Reuters) Sometime in May,
  senior U.S. officials will wake up to their worst nightmare -- a string of
  terrorist attacks from coast'2'coast. Fortunately, it will be only a dress
  rehearsal for the real thing. Called "Topoff," the series of attacks by a
  fake foreign terrorist group is aimed at testing how top officials would
  respond if faced by real weapons of mass destruction. Or maybe it WILL be
  the real thing: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20000405_4419.html

# ARMED & DANGEROUS - US Marines landing ... in North Carolina - To conduct
  random checkpoint searches, patrol neighborhoods - rehearsal for the coup?
  http://worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/20000407_xex_marines_land.shtml

: Have you manufactured many pretexts lately? Have you staged many rehersals
that can quickly become reality? Is your conspiracy a well-oiled mechanism?
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# Sea Slugs Driven By Hunger: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9641627
# VideoCams Show Marine Mammals Take Laid-Back Approach To Deep Diving.
  Just do it: http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ucsc-vcr033100.html

# Navy defends anti-sub exercise. SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) The U.S. Navy
  denied accusations by environmentalists that an anti-submarine exercise
  in the Bahamas in March caused 11 whales to beach themselves. Sonar noise
  blamed: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565487461-7e6

: Have you tormented/monitored/devoured any marine creatures lately? Was it
fun, profitable, necessary, expedient, draining, stimulating, mystical, old?
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# Iridium to zap 66 sats - Tech deals with commie China may have backfired:
 http://worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith_news/20000407_xnsof_bankrupt_i.shtml
# Merging Molecular Electronics And Silicon-Based Technology - prospect
  of infinitesimal computers: http://unisci.com/stories/20002/0407002.htm
# Opto-Chips: Bandwidth To Burn: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9641116

# A hot doughnut is the first step towards a practical reactor - hot coffee
  helps too [glug]: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns223339
# Thang In Taurus A Star, Not A Planet www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9641118
# Hubble spies a 'glowing eye' in space -  a gigantic hot gas cloud:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_703000/703771.stm

: Have you seen anything hot lately? Did ETs help much? Are you grateful??
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# 'Oil Wrestlers' Do Not Want Gays Watching. ISTANBUL (Reuters) Turkey's oil
  wrestlers burly men who cover themselves in olive oil & grapple with each
  other wearing leather trousers are trying to stop a group of homosexuals
  coming to watch. http://news.excite.com/news/r/000407/07/odd-wrestling

# Kids learn about lesbianism - Parents angry over student assembly's sexual
  content: http://www.registerguard.com/news/20000406/1d.cr.encore.0406.html
# Church launches abortion outreach - Boston archdiocese welcomes guilt-
  laden women back in fold: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9642051
# Sperm-sorting techniques: http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000406/odd-41

# JEWS OK GAY MARRIAGE: http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=48875
# Same-sex opponents hold 'Jericho march' - Protesters encircle statehouse
  over civil unions: http://timesargus.nybor.com/Story/6042.html
@ Fantasy Man Island: http://www.planetout.com/romance/fmi/
@ Lesbian Love Boat: http://www.planetout.com/romance/llb/

: Have you grappled with your lusts lately? Have you encircled anyone/thing?
Do you get hot just thinking about it? What's y'r favorite romantic fantasy?
D'ya wanna screw men, women, dogs, aliens, robots, me, all the above? When?
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  "I am ready to meet my maker, but whether my maker is prepared for the
   great ordeal of meeting me is another matter." - Winston Churchill

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@ UFOs or hooters? http://www.pharo.com/banners/banner101.gif
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# Internet TV Show Reveals New Psychic Findings in O.J. Simpson. PITTSBURGH.
  The fromUSAlive.com Internet TV Network officially premiered Investigating
  the Outer Realms, a show that investigates unexplained phenomena. Killer's
  description: http://news.excite.com/news/bw/000403/pa-fromusalive.com

$ STARGATE CONSPIRACY - The truth behind ET contact, military intelligence
  & the mysteries of Ancient Egypt. The Stargate Conspiracy exposes the most
  insidious, disturbing - and successful - mass manipulation of our times.
  Designed to bring us, hearts, minds & souls under the total control of the
  conspirators,this sinister program has ruthlessly exploited our Millennial
  craving for signs and wonders - even hijacking the predicted return of the
  ancient gods. http://www.templarlodge.com/stargate.html#Introduction

: What's your favorite conspiracy? Are the conspirators psychic, alien, dem-
onic, military, entertaining? Have they taken over your heart/mind/soul/body
yet? Will they, very soon now? Should/can/will they be exposed? By whom? Eh?
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# Scientists Ponder The Extraterrestrial Origin Of Life. The question of
  whether life exists elsewhere in the universe left the realm of science
  fiction this week, as NASA hosted the galaxy`s first Astrobiology Science
  Conference. http://earthchangestv.com/breaking/April2000/0407ponder.htm

# Life in space: The search continues. It'll be life, but not as we know
  it in the movies. Scientists have been looking in vain for decades.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_704000/704124.stm

# Alien hunter breaks record: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9642259
# Still waiting for a call: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9642260
@ Optical Seti: http://www.coseti.org/
@ Seti League: http://www.setileague.org/
@ Seti Institute: http://www.seti-inst.org/

: Have you found any aliens lately? Have any aliens found you? Did they do
unspeakable things to you? Did you do unspeakable things to them? Can none
of you speak about it? Do you do nothing BUT speak about it? Can I leave??
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# Geomagnetic Storm Seen. (NOAA) The ACE spacecraft, located approximately
  one million miles towards the Sun, detected a fast-moving ejection in the
  solar wind. This structure is believed to have been launched from the Sun
  late on April 4. The Earth's magnetic field responded shortly thereafter,
  and major storm conditions are now occurring at all latitudes. Doomed:
  http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/April2000/0407geomagnetic.htm

# Eyewitness Account of Aurora Borealis From NJ - solar storms stir up ion-
  osphere: http://earthchangestv.com/breaking/April2000/0407eyewitness.htm
# Skywatchers marvel at light show: www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9641149
@ UFO Sightings & Alien Artefacts: http://www.templarlodge.com/ufos.html
# Automated North Pole station will take the pulse of the Arctic Ocean at
  abandoned ET bases: http://eurekalert.org/releases/nsf-anp040500.html

: Have aliens tweaked your star lately? Are they trying to ignite a nova? Do
they want to sterilize your planet? Are you watching them, fighting them???
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# Robots made by high school students compete for survival, fame, glory:
  http://news.excite.com/photo/img/ap/robot/competition/20000401/egc103
# A Pair of Programmed Robots Play Soccer Using a Golf Ball. Thrilling:
  http://news.excite.com/photo/img/ap/robot/soccer/20000406/slc102

# NASA and National Cancer Institute Join to Develop Nano-Explorers for
  the Human Body. Microscopic sensors to detect, diagnose & treat disease
  inside the human body: http://www.sverdrup.com/nasa/sensors.html
  And see http://search.nci.nih.gov/search.nci.nih.gov/s97is.vts

: D'ya prefer big/medium/small/tiny robots? D'ya want eensy-weensy robots in
y'r body, knocking about, tweaking stuff here'n'there, searching out all y'r
secrets, playing soccer with y'r corpuscles? Is technology great, or what??

# Chip promises telecoms revolution - new polymers will change the world:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_704000/704324.stm
# SuperFastPolymers: http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/uwsh-oca033100.html
@ Turn your $2000 computer into a $2 transistor radio: http://live365.com/
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# Water buffalo to be cloned to save it from extinction - First embryo ready
  for surrogate mother. BANGKOK. Thai scientists, who've cloned a cow, have
  chosen the water buffalo as their next target. The choice settled on the
  water buffalo, the icon of traditional rice farming, because its numbers
  are dwindling rapidly. http://www.bangkokpost.com/today/070400_News01.html

# Study Of GM food, cloning. Effects of genetically modified food & human
  cloning will be probed by a South Australian parliamentary committee.
http://theadvertiser.com.au/common/story_page/0,2294,541173%255E2682,00.html

# Cloning Not Cure-All: http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000405/university-222
# Testing Space For Genetic Transformation Of Crops - is microgravity fert-
ile ground for crop improvement? http://unisci.com/stories/20002/0407004.htm

: Where/when/how should cloning/GM experiments be conducted? Should/can/will
cloning solve your problems? Have you studied any clones lately? Have clones
studied you? Was the process unsettling, disconcerting, probing, annoying??
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# 'Frightening glimpse of future police state' -The largest DNA mass-screen-
  ing project ever attempted in Australia is expected to cost about $60,000
  when police tomorrow take saliva swabs from the adult male population of
  Wee Waa.  http://www.smh.com.au/news/0004/07/national/national17.html

# Radar-Based Through-the-Wall Surveillance System. The National Institute
  of Justice (NIJ), thru the Joint (Justice-Defense) Program Steering Group
 (JPSG), is funding improvement of a portable (briefcase-sized) through-the-
  wall surveillance device developed by Raytheon (formerly Hughes Missile
  Systems)for use by cops when investigating a crime scene. This device is
  a modification of a commercial motion detector sold by Hughes. It employs
  a radar that can locate and track an individual through concrete or brick
  walls. It measures/displays the distance to that individual, a capability
  improvement over the commercial device. http://www.raven1.net/nij_p26.htm

: Have police agencies scanned y'r premises/blood/DNA/brain lately? Did they
find anything? D'ya live in a police state? Have you told your local police
that you think their police state is better than any other police state? Ya?
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   "Practice random acts of blindness:  It won't make the world
    a friendlier place but it'll probably make it more exciting.
    -- http://www.SleazyTabloid.com

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@ Solitaire: http://www.tasmanians.com/sanecow/lynda/cards.html#solitaire
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# Subj: More proof not cosmic rays and the fleets in! Area 1. Echelon Right
  formation. This set of "stars" appears nowhere in images prior or after
  this one. Area 2. This "cosmic ray" appears to be leaving or entering
  coronasphere. Here's the rub. If its a "cosmic ray" its hitting the CCD
  detectors well behind the occultation disk and should not be effected by
  the refraction waves caused by the edge of the disk. The fact that it too
  is rippled by the refraction at the edge of the disk, proves that it is in
  fact a reflected or self luminous light source outside of the occultation
  disk.Stray photons? Not likely! http://cyberspaceorbit.com/sun/1806_c2.jpg

# Old UFO Sighting: http://www.sightings.com/general/ufoil.htm
@ We're Off To See The Wizard: http://www.caus.org/cz040700.htm
@ TRIANGLES! [and other stuff] http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/

: Have you seen any cosmic rays lately? D'ya prefer cosmic rays, manta rays,
mind-control rays? Have you been hit by stray photons lately? Did you call
your boss to say you can't come in to work today because you've been hit by
a neutrino and your DNA is unraveling? Are stray particles hazardous? How?
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# NEW Mars Cydonia Images Released by JPL! Cydonia: Two Years Later. The
  recent motion picture, "Mission to Mars," takes as part of its premise
  that certain features in the Cydonia region of Mars were constructed as
  monuments by ancient Martians. This idea---widely popularized in books,
  magazines, tabloids and other news/infotainment media---has its origin in
  the chance observation (in 1976) by one of the Viking Orbiter spacecraft.
  http://anomalies.net/ufo/mars/www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/4_5_00_cydonia

 

# Arkansas to be invaded with UFO devotees ready to discuss close encounters
  for the 12th time. OZARK UFO-CON! Vendors will be on hand with books,
  videos and related items. http://www.ardemgaz.com/weekend/wbnwufo7.html

 

: What are your favorite UFO/paranormal books, videos and related items? Do
you sell/rent/produce such items? Do you make a good living at it? Have you
partnered with NASA/JPL/aliens/Illuminati in producing these items? Where?

 

# Monkeys pay one another for work. Primatologists have found evidence that
  capuchin monkeys cooperate to obtain food and share the rewards of their
  efforts. The study has implications for understanding the evolutionary
  basis of reciprocity, a fundamental feature of human society. Communism
  or Capitalism? http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/emry-mpo033000.html
  And http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_702000/702754.stm
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# $5 MILLION REWARD POSTED FOR SUSPECTED TERRORIST ABDELMAJID DAHOUMANE -
  fugitive charged with plotting a New Year's millennium-related terrorist
  act in the United States. http://CNN.com/2000/US/04/06/reward.dahoumane/

 

# Failed prophecy shook faith, cult survivor says. KANUNGU, Uganda —
  The unfulfilled prophecy of a Christian doomsday sect cost the faith of
  loyal followers, and perhaps their lives, as they started to challenge
  the cult's leaders, a surviving 17-year-old cult member said. Doomsday
  inevitable: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/0,1249,155015036,00.html

 

# Elian inspires mysticism in Miami - Cuban-Americans see boy as God's gift,
  Castro as Satan: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/000406/3883469.html

 

: What's your fave millennial/mystical/murderous event? Is it closely timed?
Are you surrounded by demons/devils/aliens/assholes? Must they be met with
violence? Do voices in your head insist on violence? Must you acquiesce??
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# Warrants issued in Ugandan deaths - leaders may have survived, gone into
  hiding: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565480712-5b7
# Religious handbook of Ugandan Christian doomsday cult, Movement for the
  Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God: "I wish all to go to heaven."
  http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000404/18/uganda-cult-handbook-excerpts
# http://news.excite.com/photo/img/ap/uganda/cult/handbook/20000404/xbl101

# Cult suspect was LA student priest. (AP) A cult leader wanted for Uganda's
  doomsday massacre was a student priest who attended graduate school at a
  Jesuit university in Los Angeles. Preached the world would end Dec. 31,
  1999. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565490739-fa2

: Have you started/led/terminated any doomsday cults lately? Are doomsday
cultists fun to play with? Did your religious training prepare you for cult
control? Should online or mail-order courses in cult control be offered??
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# EnGENEering the future. Biotech revolution spawns vocal opposition,
  as science enters brave new world - with ethical debate trailing far
  behind. http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/04/06/text/p11s1.html
# Embryo cloning: head to head. (BBC). Stem cell research could produce
  treatments for many ailments. But should human embryo cloning be allowed?
  Debate: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_703000/703182.stm

# Future Of Genetic Modification May Be Frightening. COLLEGE STATION, TX.
  One day in the not-too-distant future, the entirety of the human genome
  and its strands of DNA will be mapped and the function of every gene
  will have been determined. With this knowledge, genetic modification
  of even fetuses will be possible. But the idea of this modification
  is terrifying. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000405/university-161

: Does genetic engineering scare you? Will genetic engineering proceed, whe-
ther or not you're scared? Are you being manipulated by plotters trying to
channel genetic engineering in specific directions, in specific countries?
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# The Number Purple. People who perceive a particular colour when shown a
  number are often dismissed by researchers. But now scientists think people
  with this condition, known as synaesthesia, are really sensing colour due
  to crossed wires in the brain's colour centre. Re-routing this wiring may
  be possible: http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ns-thp040500.html

# Damaged nerves heal faster with electricity. University of Alberta
  researchers have found that electrical stimulation speeds up nerve
  regeneration. http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/uac-dnh040600.html
# Rewiring the damaged brain - healthy brain areas may be recruited
  to take over the functions of areas damaged by stroke or trauma.
  Engineering: http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/adu-rtd040600.html

: Do your nerves/brains need re-wiring? Would you like your brain rebuilt so
you perceive things entirely differently? Are your senses scrambled? Do your
alien implants change your perceptions? Do you like the ways you perceive??

@ WILL OUR KIDS HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA IF OUR RELATIVES DO? Possibly.
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=31229
# TOFU LINKED TO MENTAL DECLINE IN THE ELDERLY - soy product long touted
  as health food: http://healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=30971
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  "Unscrew the locks from the door! Unscrew the doors themselves from
   their jambs!" --Walt Whitman

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